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Jack Chick has died
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I did see the effects of that D&D paranoia though. My older brothers would have huge groups of friends over after school to play D&D, having fun and then one day it just sort of stopped. My brothers friends/their parents had gotten freaked out by the stuff their pastors and priests were saying about D&D so they all stopped playing. I was too little of course, so didn't really get a chance to play much.
This is one of those moments where I can't really feel that bad for someone passing away. The world doesn't need that kind of hate being spewed into it, even if it is ridiculous nonsense.
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Michael Barnes wrote: I wouldn't put too much stock into Chick Tracts having any kind of real impact on anyone...even for evangelicals, I think some of Chick's extreme viewpoints were likely off-putting and obnoxious. The Bible itself has damaged more live and led more people to grief than a Chick Tract ever did.
I'm gonna call BS to this.
Young minds are sponges. Sponges that want to please their parents and peer groups.
The impact information has on them not only has long lasting effects, but actually forms the framework of their mind.
I've seen my peer groups tout this shit as if it were the gospel itself. Maybe they are like me now, and are apostates who despise the idea of religion and make it their business to educate in a preemptive way when ignorance raises its ugly head. Or maybe they are fundies who send their own kids to Jesus camp.
Either way, Chick has had an unhealthy influence on their lives. Because apparently, many religious institutions took his pamphlets seriously enough to pass them out themselves. Endorsement.
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Michael Barnes wrote: I wouldn't put too much stock into Chick Tracts having any kind of real impact on anyone...even for evangelicals, I think some of Chick's extreme viewpoints were likely off-putting and obnoxious.
Eh, people (esp. gay and Jewish people) telling me they did real harm to them, it's not really my call to say they're overreacting.
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I think his overall influence was relatively small. He was a tool for believers to buttress their views. He wasn't a taste-maker, legislative advocate, cultural leader, etc. Just a sad and paranoid little misanthrope with a pencil. Far worse were cretins like Falwell and Dobson. But Chick still was part of that insidious tribe, so fuck him and good riddance.
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The Imp number two: The Holy War of Jack T Chick
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Michael Barnes wrote: The Bible itself has damaged more live and led more people to grief than a Chick Tract ever did.
Every person who says ridiculously stupid shit like this I immediately assume has had a piss poor world history education and sees the entirety of the world through the lens of the last 50 or so years.
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Brewmiester wrote: If you want to dig in a little further this pdf by Daniel Raeburn goes over some history and one of the artists that worked with Jack
The Imp number two: The Holy War of Jack T Chick
This is a great article. Thanks for sharing it!
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SuperflyTNT wrote:
Michael Barnes wrote: The Bible itself has damaged more live and led more people to grief than a Chick Tract ever did.
Every person who says ridiculously stupid shit like this I immediately assume has had a piss poor world history education and sees the entirety of the world through the lens of the last 50 or so years.
I don't know, I like the Bible but it's been around for over a thousand years and exists almost completely outside of the context the original books were created in... just the time period alone means that it can easily have caused more damage than Jack Chick tracts have. He has a decent point other than the fact that comparing the two is ridiculous in and of itself.
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JonJacob wrote:
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Michael Barnes wrote: The Bible itself has damaged more live and led more people to grief than a Chick Tract ever did.
Every person who says ridiculously stupid shit like this I immediately assume has had a piss poor world history education and sees the entirety of the world through the lens of the last 50 or so years.
I don't know, I like the Bible but it's been around for over a thousand years and exists almost completely outside of the context the original books were created in... just the time period alone means that it can easily have caused more damage than Jack Chick tracts have. He has a decent point other than the fact that comparing the two is ridiculous in and of itself.
It has probably done way more good than a Jack Chick tract.
A more important question was whether it has done more good than bad.
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Like I said, fuckers who have zero historical perspective are fine and dandy to shit on the church because mommy taught them touching themselves is a sin, creating a lifelong sense of self loathing (I assume) but those of us who have read these cool paper rectangles that contain this stuff some people call "knowledge" look back a scant hundred years and realize that the church held the world together for centuries and was directly responsible for the lives we have today.
Yes, pedo priests are bad. Yes, Spanish Inquisition was bad. Yes, other shit is bad. But when a reasonable, educated person puts the things the church has done right on the scale with the things it's done wrong, it takes about a millisecond for the scale to explode and scream "WHAT ARE YOU, RETARDED" in its dying breath.
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SuperflyTNT wrote: I guess you guys never heard of most of the Renaissance inventors, musicians, poets. Almost all of which were given educations by the church. And when people were dying of Black Death, the only ones to help the dying were nuns. Or the fact that the church feeds a billion people or so a year. Or the fact that the humanism movement started in the church with the Scholasticism movement.
Like I said, fuckers who have zero historical perspective are fine and dandy to shit on the church because mommy taught them touching themselves is a sin, creating a lifelong sense of self loathing (I assume) but those of us who have read these cool paper rectangles that contain this stuff some people call "knowledge" look back a scant hundred years and realize that the church held the world together for centuries and was directly responsible for the lives we have today.
Yes, pedo priests are bad. Yes, Spanish Inquisition was bad. Yes, other shit is bad. But when a reasonable, educated person puts the things the church has done right on the scale with the things it's done wrong, it takes about a millisecond for the scale to explode and scream "WHAT ARE YOU, RETARDED" in its dying breath.
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Uh, I don't really disagree with any of this. But the topic was the bad things the Bible has done based on an admittedly silly comparison. Has it done good as well... sure. The Church too for that matter and I'm generally the first to say so but I didn't want to get too deep in the muck about that kind of stuff around here. I have a lot of good things to say not just about the Church but about the development of man around religious ideals and structures and how it helped move us out of the .... ah fuck it. Like I said, it wasn't really the topic.
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Generally discussion and tone is agreeable, IMO.
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