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What KICKSTARTER(S) are you BACKING and WHY?
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A pretty shitty situation, and it will definitely mark the last time I engage with Mythic.
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I feel bad for people who pledged based on Mythic's intent to print the game in various languages. They are now only doing English, French, and possibly German. Their solution is to send PDF files to everyone else. I think this is unacceptable, but I also see statements all over the place that asking Mythic for a refund is like talking to a wall.
I sincerely do hope it all comes out alright. I have played the game at Gen Con and thought it was a very cool implementation of Rainbow Six. I look forward to getting my copy.... if possible.
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This is actually a good sign, in my opinion. It makes it more likely they will actually deliver 6: Siege. Many of the Rallyman Dirt backers wish they would have asked for more money and solved their issues.
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Sagrilarus wrote: Presumably most kickstarters still deliver without a price change or crisis?
I'd say about a third of the campaigns that funded before the shipping crisis have asked for more funds.
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Oath
Ankh
Tiny Epic Pirates
Tiny Epic Dungeons
Root Marauder expansion
John Company, 2nd Ed.
Tiny Epic Vikings
None of them have asked for shipping funds. That's in part a measure of whom I'm dealing with: Gamelyn's campaigns are always planned to the tiniest (ahem) detail; Leder Games would be far more likely to eat the shipping costs than to convey them; same for Wehrlegig. Still, I almost expected that John Company would be requesting some assistance in that respect because of the size of the company (Just Cole and his brother), the size (and weight) of the box, and the niche they occupy in even this niche hobby, but it didn't happen. The campaign I've been in that most closely approaches Mythic's usual output would be Ankh but, likewise, there was no request to cover increased costs when it shipped and delivered in the summer of 2021.
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Based on some high-profile shenanigans involving other kickstarters in recent years, I don't anticipate kickstarting anymore games. It seems that the profit margin on board games is tight enough that only established companies can reliably deliver the goods without any drama.
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hotseatgames wrote: Mythic just told everyone who backed the Rainbow Six Siege board game (me being one of them) that we will be on the hook for extra shipping. They are throwing in another 2 maps to soften the blow. How much that blow is yet... they haven't said.
A pretty shitty situation, and it will definitely mark the last time I engage with Mythic.
Pretty sure in one of their main announcements around New Year, after they finally emerged from a few months radio silence, they said that all their projects will ask backers for more cash - I've got HEL to come, plus Darkest Dungeon (I took their offer last year of not paying and they would hold it and deliver it in the future ... can't see that happening now) so looks like I better have my card ready.
There's no point in even asking for a refund - first because they take months to answer support emails (unless you're buying something from their webshop), and because they have so limited funds that they are only allowed to refund a set number per month ... so a refund request now may take a couple of years to be fulfilled.
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During funding, Earthborne Games said they wouldn't know shipping costs until closer to fulfilment. They did have estimates based on various quotes of what it was likely to be. They did catch a bit of flak for this at the time but the pledge manager stayed open until Jan this year, so if you'd only backed the $5 tier (like me) you were able to wait and see what it was going to be before committing.
They routinely talked about shipping in their fortnightly podcast and I'm pretty sure it came up a few times in their monthly-ish newsletter. They were pretty great about keeping backers informed and were transparent about costs going up and down as time passed and they searched for the best quote.
In the end, the shipping ended up being what they'd estimated during the campaign and they only charged for it last month.
They are not manufacturing or shipping from China so perhaps that has sidestepped many of the problems other publishers have encountered? Instead, the game's being made as sustainably as possible in Germany and shipping out from there.
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charlest wrote: In retrospect, I think you all are right. There have been several campaigns that have asked for additional shipping, but it's not as high as a third. My bad.
I think it seems/seemed higher because when KS campaigns go bad, the word of mouth ( bad ) spreads a lot faster/farther/more vehemently than when everything proceeds as normal. And some cases, the goat rodeo KS were high profile/big $$ ones. Nobody is gonna get too bent over extra shipping on a $30 game, but a $300 all in pledge, yeah people are gonna get vocal.
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